Tuesday, June 16, 2009

Hate? We libs hate? Really?!?

In reply to: Valley of the Shadow: The Two Minute Hate as perfected by Democrats Since I didn't interthread my comments with quotes from the original, you'll have to follow that link to understand what this post is about.) ((In fact, by the time you read this here, there's a good chance it'll be approved & posted there, which'll make the whole thing easier)) (((Speaking of hate--& blowing my whole point--Have I mentioned recently how much I loathe moderated blogs?!?)))

Obviously, I found the post in question. So let's talk about it.

The first thing I notice (after the obligatory references to Orwell, of course) is that some of your examples seem a little "off."

Heathlander (who you claim supports Hamas) not only isn't one of "Today's Democrats," he isn't even an American.

As late at 2008--a year AFTER going to see Hugo Chavez--Sean Penn was doing appearances in support of Ralph Nader who, as almost any Democrat will tell you, is at least as much of a rival for Democrats as Republican candidates. (I understand however, that he reluctantly voted for Obama, in the end...)

As for Sally, the jewish lesbian at Kos with the crush on that "dinner jacket" guy, somehow, I don't think she represents the whole party. (I'd say it was satire, and that she really isn't hot for the guy, but I have a feeling that you wouldn't buy that, given some of what you wrote later in the post.) The fact is, she agreed with some of the things "I'mADinnerJacket" said about "Dubya" in a speech, which isn't the same thing as supporting "IADJ" himself. (In fact she makes it pretty clear that she abhors a lot of the things IADJ and those like him have said and done in Iran.) If we're to believe that agreement with any aspect of a person is tantamount to supporing that person in toto, than Obama is apparently a supporter of Ronald Reagan. Who knew?

The lonely professor with the two cats *IS* satire, of the best kind. To the extent that what s/he says about American topography is true, anyway--there are vast exceptions, and things s/he's obviously not taking into account--it is ironic that global warming will suck up alot of land that is home to "red" states, and leave a good bit of the land belonging to "blue" ones. And she doesn't dream of killing Republicans, but of keeping them out of power when they move inland to those blue states, given their screw up in not doing more to prevent climate change when they had the chance.

It wasn't a military Coup D'etat, as the directions for it were clearly laid out in the UCMJ. And of course, it was a blog post, rather than a real letter to Peter Pace.

(It's at this point that I'm tempted to dig up some of the obviously phony "open letters" and other such materials various folks on the right have written as satirical pieces, for comparison.) The fact is, such exaggerations for effect as a jewish lesbian with a crush on I'mADinnerJacket," or a letter suggesting that Peter Pace remove Bush from his role as Commander-in-Chief, following UCMJ guidelines are pretty obviously not meant to be taken literally, though yes, they do also express a decidedly liberal point of view, underneath the (funny, to some of us, anyway) exaggerations. That's what satire is about, for gosh sakes.

Already discussed the movie (creative license, free speech), but I'm given to understand that for the most part, it's a murder mystery about solving the crime, afterwards. And yes, as I thought... It's not an American film, making the connection with Democrats kinda tenuous, at best.

Books: I'll see yours, and raise you:

888 Reasons to Hate Democrats: An A to Z Guide to Everything Loathsome About the Party of Big Government
The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Schools, Faith, and Military: Michael Savage
Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism: Sean Hannity
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change: Jonah Goldberg

(Please don't tell me that these are different just because they don't use the word "hate" in the title --especially if you don't know what's in any of those "hate" books you list, and can't be specific about what it is that makes them so bad.) ((Yes, I have at least one of the books on your list, which I received as a gift, so I am in a position to discuss it with you.))

Hate speech is very different from political satire, or anything we'll find in any of the books either of us listed... I find it difficult to believe you cannot tell the difference.

Which "joke" calls for the death of your political compatriots, exactly? As I said, the global warming piece (the only one that might result in death) has the author helping you folks in your hour of need... ...as long as you don't try to take political power in the one region spared, which should evermore remain "blue."...

As far as your joke... You need to work on the delivery... And if you want it to be satire, it'll need an ironic point, too...

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